#SayTheirNamesMemorial goes up on Harbor Ave to honor black lives lost to brutality
It's easy to miss the fact that the names of black lives lost in recent times are not the only ones. Black lives have been taken by brutality, injustice and racism for literally centuries. Most of their names have been forgotten. But there are those among us now working to make us remember, and to finally and forever change for the better.
On June 19th (Juneteenth) Joy Proctor (Joy Proctor Design) in Portland Oregon decided to take action. She wrote the following on Facebook:
"In honor of Juneteenth I planned a memorial for 175 lives taken by police brutality, injustice and racism. A group of friends and kind passers by helped put up photos and bouquets for each each of the beautiful people who lost their lives. The goal was to spears awareness, and honor the lives of too many, taken too soon. Flowers were donated by @tangledrootspdx and @mayeshportland and made the memorial truly special. Prints were donated by @precisionimages. Shorty after I shared about the #saytheirnamesmemorial a number of friends contacted me, wanting to recreate the memorial in their own cities. Yesterday @bowsandarrowsflowers @emilyclarkeevents @saunterweddings created their own memorial in Dallas, Texas and almost as soon as it was put up, neighbors complained and had it taken down. This hurt but showed me how important the #blacklivesmatter movement is, and how much farther we have to go. If you would like to create a “Say Their Names” memorial in your city, email me to download the PDF of photos. A huge thank you to @jessicamangia_photography for the beautiful photos of our Portland memorial, to @hart_floral for leading the team of volunteers through the bouquet making process and for standing by my dream for this memorial. Thank you to my sister @simangele and her dear friends who helped put this up, and to @yee_ctb for helping provide us work space to prep. #blacklivesmatter #blm #saytheirnames @ Revolution Hall
Now the cause has been taken up in West Seattle. This one was set up by Emily Muddiston of Rose Andrew Events, Caleb of Caleb Norman James Design, Ashley with Floraison Design Co., Camille of Robinson Creative House and Carina Sckrobecki Wedding Photography.
187 names and photos were put up with flowers to make them a "living memorial" they hope some will help expand.
"The sad part is we could have added so many more," said Emily.
All the photos on display as of June 30, 2020. Group photos by Kimberly Robinson
Where are the names of the two individuals, one child, who lost their lives in a horrific weekend of violence in Chicago, presumably both black? Where are the names of hundreds of black men who have lost their lives in inner city internecine, violence over the past decade? They are just as dead, their potential cut just as short as someone who dies at the hands of a police officer, yet I'm not seeing the indignant, angry, kneeling, rallies for these individuals. Does anyone really believe that had police been present in adequate numbers in inner cities we would be seeing the same horrific death toll?
There is medical term called "triage," where one treats the sickest first. If one uses this analogy to out society, then our first priority would be to direct all of our attention and energies on what is America's killing fields, our inner cities.
So your argument is no one is allowed to care about police killing until there is no other murders at all and that the police who are sworn to protect should be held to a lower standard than criminals? Also if you think the worst cases deserve the attention first why are you talking about Chicago when it isn't even in the top 10 in murder per capita?
Did you grasp my point about "triage" for this country's black mini-genocide? I'll explain it again.
With the limited resources that we have, wouldn't it make sense to prioritize the far, far greater number of black deaths that happening in inner cities above the relative handful that happen at the hands of rogue cops?
I wish we could rectify both, but clearly we can't and we seem to be are uninterested in doing both. It appears Black Lives Matter and their fawning white acolytes are not interested in a black man laying in a pool of blood if he wasn't killed by a cop, a white cop to be specific. Nothing like a dead black who wasn't killed by a white cop to suck all the fun out of a feel-good rally.
I'll bet you know the complete life story of George Floyd, but you don't know the name of the kid who was killed recently at CHOP.
Btw, please spare me the straw man rejoinders to my post(s). This is far too serious of an issue. I have presented a grotesque case of hypocrisy that exists on the side of Black Lives Matter and their allies and it needs to be confronted, without evasion and twisting, wriggling sophistry.
Nearly everyone concedes that at least some changes can, or should be, made in police enforcement. I have yet to hear ANYONE discuss what should be done to stem the bloodbath in inner cities, except vague suggestions of "social justice," which largely has been a failure over the past decades.
Police lives taken by black criminals is 8 times greater than the other way around. This fence idea is idiotic and ignores many greater issues regarding the black community.
Gregg you don't get to decide what issues people care about. Your also wrong. If you actually did some research you would find that there are many organizations dedicated to ending violence in areas with higher homicide rates. You would see that they hold marches and rallies all the time. This is not a race issue. The most prevalent factor most all crime in poverty. More time researching would also show you that homicide rates have been declining in the country for decades. Some very basic research would show you that BLM has organized and protested against police killing no matter the cops race. Again you are wrong. You are wrong on multiple levels.
Dr. Viller Please show me the sources for your claim. Also please show me how many of those people that kill a police officer get acquitted or don't even get charged in the first place.
I'm not sure where you disagree with me.
The Washington Post maintains a database of all police involved shootings across the country. In 2019, there were 14 (revised upwards from 9 for dubious reasons) shootings of unarmed black men by police officers. Not to be flip, but that is an average weekend for any combination of major U.S. cities, presumable most of the victims black men.
But if you look at the massive protests around the country vilifying the police, one would think that police brutality is the primary culprit. It clearly is not. I dare you, or anyone, to find a speaker at a Black Lives Matter rally who challenges their audiences to remember these forgotten victims.
You mention that the crime rate has been decline over the past decades, which it has, and it is reasonable to assume improving economics has a lot to do with it, e.g. an improving job market. If this the main driver of declining crime rates, we need more of it.
No one has argued that police should not be held accountable - certainly not me - but lets not fool ourselves that police brutality is anywhere close to accounting for the majority of black violent deaths.
I have provided evidence to back up my argument. And it remains the same argument I have made consistently: Police malfeasance, though wrong, is not the primary, or even secondary cause of violence and death in the black community. Ergo, proportionately MORE attention should be directed in solutions that make an impact.
Feel free to respond, but please do so without straw man arguments and non-sequitur's.
A study released by the Crime Prevention Research Center in 2016 found that white police officers were no more likely to shoot and kill black civilians, than black police officers; if anything the study indicated that black police officers might be more like to kill black civilians, (Snopes found this second claim inconclusive. I'll hesitantly go along with Snopes, though it is hardly an unbiased fact checker, IMO)
There are many caveats and angles to be drawn out of a study like this, depending on one's POV, but it is still an important study, and in this case it debunks the BLM claim that black civilians are targeted.
Yes, facts do matter.
These are black people lost to police brutality. Why not put up pics of people lost to black on black crime? Not enough fence huh. Obviously black lives don't matter....
If your not sure where I disagree with you let me make it clear. I disagree with every single thing you have said.
When a civilian kills someone they go to jail. When a police officer kills someone they go home. That's the issue.
Your argument about a speaker at a BLM rally not talking about victims of other killings is silly. By your argument there should be no lung cancer rally, benefits, stop smoking commercials because lung cancer is not the biggest killer.
Again these are not "forgotten victims" as you label them. There are plenty of organizations that do work and advocate for them. Just because you can't be bother to research them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Your assumption that economy is the reason for the falling crime rate is false as the racial wealth gap has only been increasing at the same time crime has been falling.
You have provided evidence that more people are killed by civilians that police. That was never under dispute. That don't mean that anyone has to agree and go alone with your triage theory. Like I said you don't get to decide what people care about. You don't get to decide that people that care about lung cancer have to focus on breast cancer instead. If you care about other forms of violence so much you are free to go and work on those issues. No one is stopping you. No one is forcing you to go to a BLM march either.
To your final point again you are wrong. The issue is police killing and brutality. period. It's not about white cop vs black cop. Like you keep trying to make it. No one at a BLM rally is saying we have to stop white cops killing people but it's okay if black cops do. It's all police. Your the only one making this about the race of the police.
PS you never answered my question about your triage theory and Chicago. I'll ask you again. If you believe that the worst cases need the attention first then why is the only city you mentioned Chicago when it's not even in the to 10 of homicides per capita?
"Your assumption that economy is the reason for the falling crime rate is false as the racial wealth gap has only been increasing at the same time crime has been falling."
My answer: This is not my assumption, this has been proposed by numerous serious studies and sources - hardly earth shattering news.
Because the income gap has been increasing faster for one group in relative terms, doesn't mean it hasn't been rising in real, meaningful terms for the other. And it may play a factor in the decline in crime. You're concluding that because the white rich are getting richer that getting a job - even a low paying job -can't have beneficial effect on a black individual (or white) individual's outlook and behavior. I'm a firm believer in upward mobility in this country, but socio-economic impact is a very, very complex discussion. . .
"Your the only one making this about the race of the police."
It's odd that you pick out race. How many of those photo's that line the boardwalk on Alki are of white people who were killed by police? None. If police brutality isn't about the race of the police officer, and it isn't, isn't also true that it shouldn't be all about the race of it's victims? When was the last time Black Lives Matter mentioned a white victim of police brutality? Or highlighted a black police accused of brutality so that his/her name is etched in the public consciousness? That Black Lives Matter, which is essentially a front to dismantle the core of Western society, has deemed "All Lives Matter," as being racist is indicative of their ideology. .
But I think we've exhausted this subject and I don't think going further is useful to either of us.
So since your argument was proven completely false now your attempting to move the goal post.
Even at that you are once again wrong. BLM has in fact spoken up for white victims of police brutality. Once again you shown that your making false arguments with even bothering to do basic research. If your concerned these white victims of police brutality/killing aren't getting enough exposure you are free to go advocate for them. That's your choice but as I said time and time again you don't get to chose what other people advocate for.
I see you significantly softened your stance on the economy's effect on the crime rate from "reasonable to assume" to "it may play a factor". Thanks for proving my point. No direct link has been show.
Still no answer on your talking about Chicago? Have you abandoned your triage theory?
I can't keep up with your straw man arguments, non-sequiturs, illogic, and general misstatement, or inability to provide legitimate counter-arguments.
By the way, 14 lost their lives to violence in Chicago over the past weekend - can we expect thousands of virtue-signaling folks prostrating themselves on streets for these individuals? I would say my triage theory holds up pretty well, don't you?
Find someone else to play with, this isn't a junior high school school yard game for me.
First, you make a statement that crime is declining, which is well known and I offer an economic argument that may provide a reason, unemployment declining, and the mere fact that having a job keeps one off the streets. But then you jump to a non-sequitur, about racial wealth inequalities, to "disprove" it.
Secondly, you make the claim that BLM has devoted significant time to either white victims of police misconduct or has pleaded with blacks to stop killing one another in any significant way, despite having an audience of millions and considerable sway. Sorry, I'm not seeing this in any significant way.
But your argument seems to boil down, and is analogous to, scientists working side by side in a laboratory, one working on a Covid-19 cure, the other on a very rare disease. The Covid-19 scientists says, "Hey, we could really use your time and energy here, this thing is killing a lot of people. You could make a huge impact immediately."
The other scientist says: "Sorry, I'm working on my disease, Aren't there others working on Covid-19?"
I understand your argument, I just don't agree with it. 17 were killed in a Chicago weekend - none of these involved police brutality. How many more weekends are we going to have like this while BLM rages indignantly and other virtue-signal and prostrate themselves in streets about police brutality? Something is very wrong here.